The professional climate denier machine has been attacking the IPPC for along time.
Why?
It’s part of the Denial for profit movements pandering propaganda aimed at their low educated wingnut tribe of sheeples who thinks not hating governments makes you into a socialist. And with a few drops of communist fear mongering and flattery for their emotions and feelings, this tribe is more than ready to swallow any of the self interests the polluters are able to hide in ideology and politics.
The UN is the “perfect” enemy. It’s some “leftist thing” working to turn the world into a socialist welfare state where everyone gets free education and health care powered by windmills and solar panels. You know, those silly “leftist” things.
One of their most recycled lying memes is the "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy" with a picture of former IPCC co-chair Ottmar Endenhofer.
This is the smoking gun proof for the conspiracy.
What deniers are trying to make it look like:
The IPCC is working in a secret plot to "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy".
Thus, the denial movement see this a "proof" their capitalist greed and free marked fundamentalist thinking and world view and Ayn Rand worshipping is attacked by "leftists" trying to turn the world into a socialist dictatorship.
The quote is seemingly from this interview:
Translated to English:
NZZ AM SONNTAG) All this no longer sounds like the climate policy we know.
(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
(NZZ AM SONNTAG): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
(NZZ AM SONNTAG) Nevertheless, the environment suffers from climate change - especially in the south.
(EDENHOFER) There will also be much to do with the adjustment. But this goes far beyond classical development policy: we will see a decline in agricultural yields in Africa with climate change. But this can be avoided if the efficiency of the production is increased - and especially if the African agricultural trade is embedded in the world economy. But then we have to see that successful climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy.
The debunk:
As we can see from the interview, the meme is a bad cut and paste job from different parts of the interview; a bad misrepresentation of the interview. It turns everything he says upside down. It also tries to make it seems that the "we" is the IPCC. But the "we" is not IPCC. The "we" is "the developed world".
WHAT HE REALLY SAYS IS THIS:
We (the developed world)
HAVE REDISTRIBUTED THE WORLDS WEALTH BY FACILITATING THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES TO EXPLOIT THE WORLDS NATURAL RESOURCES.
We redistribute the world's wealth by exploiting the resources of the third world for our own greed.
A more accurate meme would look like this:
The quote / interview is about what consequences a more equitable distribution of natural resources on earth will have for various actors and countries. What consequences reductions in greenhouse gases will have.
The "we" he talks about is not he IPCC, its the humans of the planet and how we always have exploited the resources of the third world for our own greed.
He points out how developing countries have been exploited and that this bias should be leveled out:
"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.
Then he points out that we must "free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy" because climate policy unfortunately is only about facilitating the developed countries to exploit the world's natural resources, and because of that, it
"has almost nothing to do with real environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."
This means that too little consideration has been given to the environment in a historical perspective.
And that it's time to do something about this:
"we have to see that climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy."
Many of the world's largest oil companies, by the way, support the theory of man-made global warming and are OK with carbon taxes and are already well underway to shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy.
Bottom line:
This is just deniers showing their selfish and greedy world view. And acting like a crying spoiled child if they cant play around alone in the candy store anymore.
And we must not dare ruining their dreamworld delusion.
Because that's what conservative old white men will keep on doing.
sit in their sofas,
watching over only their own back yards,
with their Ayn Raynd altars
blaming everything wrong in the world on “poor people” and immigrants.
“It’s not surprising that high-profile deniers are almost exclusively conservative white men, since they have most benefited from the industrial capitalist system, and therefore have the most skin in the game when it comes to protecting the powers that be — even if they aren’t those powers."
[...] “conservative white males are likely to favour protection of the current industrial capitalist order which has historically served them well”. It added that “heightened emotional and psychic investment in defending in-group claims may translate into misperceived understanding about problems like climate change that threaten the continued order of the system.”
Quora version:
The professional climate denier machine has been attacking the IPPC for along time.
Why?
It’s part of the Denial for profit movements pandering propaganda aimed at their low educated wingnut tribe of sheeples who thinks not hating governments makes you into a socialist. And with a few drops of communist fear mongering and flattery for their emotions and feelings, this tribe is more than ready to swallow any of the self interests the polluters are able to hide in ideology and politics.
The UN is the “perfect” enemy. It’s some “leftist thing” working to turn the world into a socialist welfare state where everyone gets free education and health care powered by windmills and solar panels. You know, those silly “leftist” things.
One of their most recycled lying memes is the "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy" with a picture of former IPCC co-chair Ottmar Endenhofer.
This is the smoking gun proof for the conspiracy.
What deniers are trying to make it look like:
The IPCC is working in a secret plot to "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy".
Thus, the denial movement see this a "proof" their capitalist greed and free marked fundamentalist thinking and world view and Ayn Rand worshipping is attacked by "leftists" trying to turn the world into a socialist dictatorship.
The quote is seemingly from this interview:
https://www.nzz.ch/klimapolitik_verteilt_das_weltvermoegen_neu-1.8373227
Translated to English:
NZZ AM SONNTAG) All this no longer sounds like the climate policy we know.
(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
(NZZ AM SONNTAG): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
(NZZ AM SONNTAG) Nevertheless, the environment suffers from climate change - especially in the south.
(EDENHOFER) There will also be much to do with the adjustment. But this goes far beyond classical development policy: we will see a decline in agricultural yields in Africa with climate change. But this can be avoided if the efficiency of the production is increased - and especially if the African agricultural trade is embedded in the world economy. But then we have to see that successful climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy.
The debunk:
As we can see from the interview, the meme is a bad cut and paste job from different parts of the interview; a bad misrepresentation of the interview. It turns everything he says upside down. It also tries to make it seems that the "we" is the IPCC. But the "we" is not IPCC. The "we" is "the developed world".
WHAT HE REALLY SAYS IS THIS:
We (the developed world)
HAVE REDISTRIBUTED THE WORLDS WEALTH BY FACILITATING THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES TO EXPLOIT THE WORLDS NATURAL RESOURCES.
We redistribute the world's wealth by exploiting the resources of the third world for our own greed.
A more accurate meme would look like this:
The quote / interview is about what consequences a more equitable distribution of natural resources on earth will have for various actors and countries. What consequences reductions in greenhouse gases will have.
The "we" he talks about is not he IPCC, its the humans of the planet and how we always have exploited the resources of the third world for our own greed.
He points out how developing countries have been exploited and that this bias should be leveled out:
"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.
Then he points out that we must "free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy" because climate policy unfortunately is only about facilitating the developed countries to exploit the world's natural resources, and because of that, it
"has almost nothing to do with real environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."
This means that too little consideration has been given to the environment in a historical perspective.
And that it's time to do something about this:
"we have to see that climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy."
Many of the world's largest oil companies, by the way, support the theory of man-made global warming and are OK with carbon taxes and are already well underway to shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy.
Bottom line:
This is just deniers showing their selfish and greedy world view. And acting like a crying spoiled child if they cant play around alone in the candy store anymore.
And we must not dare ruining their dreamworld delusion.
Because that's what conservative old white men will keep on doing.
sit in their sofas,
watching over only their own back yards,
with their Ayn Raynd altars
blaming everything wrong in the world on “poor people” and immigrants.
“It’s not surprising that high-profile deniers are almost exclusively conservative white men, since they have most benefited from the industrial capitalist system, and therefore have the most skin in the game when it comes to protecting the powers that be — even if they aren’t those powers."
[...] “conservative white males are likely to favour protection of the current industrial capitalist order which has historically served them well”. It added that “heightened emotional and psychic investment in defending in-group claims may translate into misperceived understanding about problems like climate change that threaten the continued order of the system.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937801100104X
Roger Fjellstad Olsen's answer to Why is opposition to climate science more common in the United States than other countries?
Why?
It’s part of the Denial for profit movements pandering propaganda aimed at their low educated wingnut tribe of sheeples who thinks not hating governments makes you into a socialist. And with a few drops of communist fear mongering and flattery for their emotions and feelings, this tribe is more than ready to swallow any of the self interests the polluters are able to hide in ideology and politics.
The UN is the “perfect” enemy. It’s some “leftist thing” working to turn the world into a socialist welfare state where everyone gets free education and health care powered by windmills and solar panels. You know, those silly “leftist” things.
One of their most recycled lying memes is the "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy" with a picture of former IPCC co-chair Ottmar Endenhofer.
This is the smoking gun proof for the conspiracy.
What deniers are trying to make it look like:
The IPCC is working in a secret plot to "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy".
Thus, the denial movement see this a "proof" their capitalist greed and free marked fundamentalist thinking and world view and Ayn Rand worshipping is attacked by "leftists" trying to turn the world into a socialist dictatorship.
The quote is seemingly from this interview:
https://www.nzz.ch/klimapolitik_verteilt_das_weltvermoegen_neu-1.8373227
Translated to English:
NZZ AM SONNTAG) All this no longer sounds like the climate policy we know.
(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
(NZZ AM SONNTAG): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
(NZZ AM SONNTAG) Nevertheless, the environment suffers from climate change - especially in the south.
(EDENHOFER) There will also be much to do with the adjustment. But this goes far beyond classical development policy: we will see a decline in agricultural yields in Africa with climate change. But this can be avoided if the efficiency of the production is increased - and especially if the African agricultural trade is embedded in the world economy. But then we have to see that successful climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy.
The debunk:
As we can see from the interview, the meme is a bad cut and paste job from different parts of the interview; a bad misrepresentation of the interview. It turns everything he says upside down. It also tries to make it seems that the "we" is the IPCC. But the "we" is not IPCC. The "we" is "the developed world".
WHAT HE REALLY SAYS IS THIS:
We (the developed world)
HAVE REDISTRIBUTED THE WORLDS WEALTH BY FACILITATING THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES TO EXPLOIT THE WORLDS NATURAL RESOURCES.
We redistribute the world's wealth by exploiting the resources of the third world for our own greed.
A more accurate meme would look like this:
The quote / interview is about what consequences a more equitable distribution of natural resources on earth will have for various actors and countries. What consequences reductions in greenhouse gases will have.
The "we" he talks about is not he IPCC, its the humans of the planet and how we always have exploited the resources of the third world for our own greed.
He points out how developing countries have been exploited and that this bias should be leveled out:
"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.
Then he points out that we must "free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy" because climate policy unfortunately is only about facilitating the developed countries to exploit the world's natural resources, and because of that, it
"has almost nothing to do with real environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."
This means that too little consideration has been given to the environment in a historical perspective.
And that it's time to do something about this:
"we have to see that climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy."
Many of the world's largest oil companies, by the way, support the theory of man-made global warming and are OK with carbon taxes and are already well underway to shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy.
Bottom line:
This is just deniers showing their selfish and greedy world view. And acting like a crying spoiled child if they cant play around alone in the candy store anymore.
And we must not dare ruining their dreamworld delusion.
Because that's what conservative old white men will keep on doing.
sit in their sofas,
watching over only their own back yards,
with their Ayn Raynd altars
blaming everything wrong in the world on “poor people” and immigrants.
“It’s not surprising that high-profile deniers are almost exclusively conservative white men, since they have most benefited from the industrial capitalist system, and therefore have the most skin in the game when it comes to protecting the powers that be — even if they aren’t those powers."
[...] “conservative white males are likely to favour protection of the current industrial capitalist order which has historically served them well”. It added that “heightened emotional and psychic investment in defending in-group claims may translate into misperceived understanding about problems like climate change that threaten the continued order of the system.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937801100104X
Roger Fjellstad Olsen's answer to Why is opposition to climate science more common in the United States than other countries?
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