SAFE CLIMATE ZONE

False premises and false dichotomy.
Why not include the best option?
Stability. Predictability.

We want to stay in the SAFE CLIMATE ZONE;

The stable temperatures that allowed the development of agriculture and human civilization to arise. But we have already left it.


Global warming is causing more deaths, diseases and starvation.

HEAT WAVES

Intense, prolonged heatwaves, such as the record-breaking ones we’ve seen around the world in recent years, will become stronger and more frequent. The 2003 European heatwave, responsible for over 70,000 deaths as well as extensive wildfires and flooding from melting glaciers, was one of the first events for which the impact of human-induced climate change on the event could be formally qualified. Scientists determined that,“human influence at least doubled the risk” of this event.

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As global surface temperatures have increased, heatwaves are becoming more frequent. Coumou, Robinson, and Rahmstorf 2013 found that record-breaking monthly temperature records are already occurring five times more often than they would in the absence of human-caused global warming. This means that there is an 80% chance that any monthly heat record today is due to human-caused global warming.

https://rd.springer.com/article/...

https://www.skepticalscience.com...

The link between GW and heatwaves confirmed:

Are the heatwaves caused by climate change?
In France, 14,802 heat-related deaths (mostly among the elderly) occurred during the heat wave, according to the French National Institute of Health

2003 European heat wave - Wikipedia

Estimated 70 Deaths Linked To Canada's Heat Wave

Deaths rose 650 above average during UK heatwave – with older people most at risk

UK heatwave turns KILLER: 1,000 more people die this summer than average as temps soar

'Unprecedented' Japan heatwave kills 65 people in a week

We're Going to Die in Record Numbers as Heatwaves Bake The World, First Global Study Shows

DISEASES:

5 Deadly Diseases Emerging from Global Warming

There are diseases hidden in ice, and they are waking up

Global warming is spreading insect-borne diseases - Citizens' Climate Lobby

STARVATION

World hunger has risen for three straight years, and climate change is a cause


Climate change will make rice less nutritious, putting millions of the world's poor at risk

Climate change is bad news for several of our staple crops. For example, a 2012 paper found that higher temperatures are detrimental to French corn yields. While French corn production has increased steadily in recent decades due to a combination of technological improvements and CO2 fertilization (the former far more than the latter), yields have leveled off in recent years, and were particularly low when struck by heat waves.


Someone please tell the farmers of the world more C02 is "good for us" while they have their harvest hit by droughts or flooded by billions of tons of water because of AGW. And maybe those same people can send “thoughs and prayers” while we wait for the humanitarian and atheist help organizations to arrive with actual help?

Farmers needs stability and predictability, not a rapidly warming and changing world.

Rising carbon levels threaten diets of hundreds of millions of poor

Rising carbon emissions could make vital food crops from wheat to rice less nutritious and endanger the health of hundreds of millions of the world's poorest

Certain staple crops grown in open fields with elevated carbon dioxide levels had up to 17 percent lower levels of protein, iron and zinc compared to those grown amid less of the gas, according to a study in the journal Nature Climate Change.

Crop failure and bankruptcy threaten farmers as drought grips Europe

https://www.theguardian.com/envi...

Another study published in Nature Climate Change last week concluded that higher temperatures will cause wheat production to decline. Just a 1°C rise in global temperature will decrease wheat yields by about 5% (approximately 35 million tons).

Roger Fjellstad Olsen's answer to Why does the increase in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have ill effects on life?

Roger Fjellstad Olsen's answer to Is there a correlation between the increase in the natural hazard events to the climate change?

THE INCREASE IN MORE DAMAGING WEATHER EVENTS

The Number and Cost of Weather Disasters is Increasing in the U.S.

The Ottmar Endenhofer interview and meme debunked.

The professional climate denier machine has been attacking the IPPC for along time.

Why?

It’s part of the Denial for profit movements pandering propaganda aimed at their low educated wingnut tribe of sheeples who thinks not hating governments makes you into a socialist. And with a few drops of communist fear mongering and flattery for their emotions and feelings, this tribe is more than ready to swallow any of the self interests the polluters are able to hide in ideology and politics.

The UN is the “perfect” enemy. It’s some “leftist thing” working to turn the world into a socialist welfare state where everyone gets free education and health care powered by windmills and solar panels. You know, those silly “leftist” things.

One of their most recycled lying memes is the "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy" with a picture of former IPCC co-chair Ottmar Endenhofer.

This is the smoking gun proof for the conspiracy.

What deniers are trying to make it look like:

The IPCC is working in a secret plot to "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy".

Thus, the denial movement see this a "proof" their capitalist greed and free marked fundamentalist thinking and world view and Ayn Rand worshipping is attacked by "leftists" trying to turn the world into a socialist dictatorship.

The quote is seemingly from this interview:

https://www.nzz.ch/klimapolitik_...

Translated to English:

NZZ AM SONNTAG) All this no longer sounds like the climate policy we know.

(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

(NZZ AM SONNTAG): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

(NZZ AM SONNTAG) Nevertheless, the environment suffers from climate change - especially in the south.

(EDENHOFER) There will also be much to do with the adjustment. But this goes far beyond classical development policy: we will see a decline in agricultural yields in Africa with climate change. But this can be avoided if the efficiency of the production is increased - and especially if the African agricultural trade is embedded in the world economy. But then we have to see that successful climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy.

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The debunk:

As we can see from the interview, the meme is a bad cut and paste job from different parts of the interview; a bad misrepresentation of the interview. It turns everything he says upside down. It also tries to make it seems that the "we" is the IPCC. But the "we" is not IPCC. The "we" is "the developed world".

WHAT HE REALLY SAYS IS THIS:

We (the developed world)

HAVE REDISTRIBUTED THE WORLDS WEALTH BY FACILITATING THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES TO EXPLOIT THE WORLDS NATURAL RESOURCES.

We redistribute the world's wealth by exploiting the resources of the third world for our own greed.

A more accurate meme would look like this:

The quote / interview is about what consequences a more equitable distribution of natural resources on earth will have for various actors and countries. What consequences reductions in greenhouse gases will have.

The "we" he talks about is not he IPCC, its the humans of the planet and how we always have exploited the resources of the third world for our own greed.

He points out how developing countries have been exploited and that this bias should be leveled out:

"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.

Then he points out that we must "free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy" because climate policy unfortunately is only about facilitating the developed countries to exploit the world's natural resources, and because of that, it

"has almost nothing to do with real environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

This means that too little consideration has been given to the environment in a historical perspective.

And that it's time to do something about this:

"we have to see that climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy."

Many of the world's largest oil companies, by the way, support the theory of man-made global warming and are OK with carbon taxes and are already well underway to shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy.

Bottom line:

This is just deniers showing their selfish and greedy world view. And acting like a crying spoiled child if they cant play around alone in the candy store anymore.

And we must not dare ruining their dreamworld delusion.

Because that's what conservative old white men will keep on doing.

sit in their sofas,

watching over only their own back yards,

with their Ayn Raynd altars

blaming everything wrong in the world on “poor people” and immigrants.

“It’s not surprising that high-profile deniers are almost exclusively conservative white men, since they have most benefited from the industrial capitalist system, and therefore have the most skin in the game when it comes to protecting the powers that be — even if they aren’t those powers."

[...] “conservative white males are likely to favour protection of the current industrial capitalist order which has historically served them well”. It added that “heightened emotional and psychic investment in defending in-group claims may translate into misperceived understanding about problems like climate change that threaten the continued order of the system.”

Cool dudes: The denial of climate change among conservative white males in the United States

Quora version:

The professional climate denier machine has been attacking the IPPC for along time.
Why?
It’s part of the Denial for profit movements pandering propaganda aimed at their low educated wingnut tribe of sheeples who thinks not hating governments makes you into a socialist. And with a few drops of communist fear mongering and flattery for their emotions and feelings, this tribe is more than ready to swallow any of the self interests the polluters are able to hide in ideology and politics.
The UN is the “perfect” enemy. It’s some “leftist thing” working to turn the world into a socialist welfare state where everyone gets free education and health care powered by windmills and solar panels. You know, those silly “leftist” things.
One of their most recycled lying memes is the "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy" with a picture of former IPCC co-chair Ottmar Endenhofer.
This is the smoking gun proof for the conspiracy.
What deniers are trying to make it look like:
The IPCC is working in a secret plot to "redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy".
Thus, the denial movement see this a "proof" their capitalist greed and free marked fundamentalist thinking and world view and Ayn Rand worshipping is attacked by "leftists" trying to turn the world into a socialist dictatorship.

The quote is seemingly from this interview:
https://www.nzz.ch/klimapolitik_verteilt_das_weltvermoegen_neu-1.8373227
Translated to English:
NZZ AM SONNTAG) All this no longer sounds like the climate policy we know.
(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
(NZZ AM SONNTAG): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
(NZZ AM SONNTAG) Nevertheless, the environment suffers from climate change - especially in the south.
(EDENHOFER) There will also be much to do with the adjustment. But this goes far beyond classical development policy: we will see a decline in agricultural yields in Africa with climate change. But this can be avoided if the efficiency of the production is increased - and especially if the African agricultural trade is embedded in the world economy. But then we have to see that successful climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy.

---

The debunk:
As we can see from the interview, the meme is a bad cut and paste job from different parts of the interview; a bad misrepresentation of the interview. It turns everything he says upside down. It also tries to make it seems that the "we" is the IPCC. But the "we" is not IPCC. The "we" is "the developed world".
WHAT HE REALLY SAYS IS THIS:
We (the developed world)
HAVE REDISTRIBUTED THE WORLDS WEALTH BY FACILITATING THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES TO EXPLOIT THE WORLDS NATURAL RESOURCES.
We redistribute the world's wealth by exploiting the resources of the third world for our own greed.
A more accurate meme would look like this:

The quote / interview is about what consequences a more equitable distribution of natural resources on earth will have for various actors and countries. What consequences reductions in greenhouse gases will have.
The "we" he talks about is not he IPCC, its the humans of the planet and how we always have exploited the resources of the third world for our own greed.
He points out how developing countries have been exploited and that this bias should be leveled out:
"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.
Then he points out that we must "free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy" because climate policy unfortunately is only about facilitating the developed countries to exploit the world's natural resources, and because of that, it
"has almost nothing to do with real environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."
This means that too little consideration has been given to the environment in a historical perspective.
And that it's time to do something about this:
"we have to see that climate policy needs a different global trade and financial policy."
Many of the world's largest oil companies, by the way, support the theory of man-made global warming and are OK with carbon taxes and are already well underway to shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy.
Bottom line:
This is just deniers showing their selfish and greedy world view. And acting like a crying spoiled child if they cant play around alone in the candy store anymore.
And we must not dare ruining their dreamworld delusion.
Because that's what conservative old white men will keep on doing.
sit in their sofas,
watching over only their own back yards,
with their Ayn Raynd altars
blaming everything wrong in the world on “poor people” and immigrants.
“It’s not surprising that high-profile deniers are almost exclusively conservative white men, since they have most benefited from the industrial capitalist system, and therefore have the most skin in the game when it comes to protecting the powers that be — even if they aren’t those powers."
[...] “conservative white males are likely to favour protection of the current industrial capitalist order which has historically served them well”. It added that “heightened emotional and psychic investment in defending in-group claims may translate into misperceived understanding about problems like climate change that threaten the continued order of the system.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937801100104X

Roger Fjellstad Olsen's answer to Why is opposition to climate science more common in the United States than other countries?

https://www.quora.com/anonymous/95c3b426ca0a4eaea6319935258c3590https://www.quora.com/anonymous/95c3b426ca0a4eaea6319935258c3590